Later we met in academic context and others. Her clear mind and mild presence immediately catches attention. When I decided to pursue the research on witnessed presence, I was very happy that professor van der Vlies accepted to be the first person we would interview. Since the witness is a crucial figure in law, it made sense to first find out about the position of the witness in court. Because professor van der Vlies specialized in Constitutional Law as well as in the field of Art and Law, I was able to inquire about the ‘social engineering’ of the process of law. Making the bridge to system design, to making things happen, would therefore be feasible. Understanding more about the position of the witness in court sheds an interesting light on witnessed presence and the responsibility that results from it. At the end of the interview we agreed that this conversation is only the beginning of a longer process of inquiry.

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